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The 24mm f/1.4 Art is now a reality, but the CP+ show left you hungry for more. Don’t worry, we should see one or two other Sigma announcements in 2015.

I won’t be listing all the possibilities, just what I think Sigma is working on (based on rumors, patents, statements or other hints), and I’ll be discussing one or two other options as well.

24-70mm f/2.8 DG OS Art & 70-200mm f/2.8 DG OS Sports

Last year, Sigma’s CEO admitted that the 24-70mm f/2.8 EX and 70-200mm f/2.8 EX had to be updated. At this stage, and given how important these zooms are in a lens lineup, it makes little doubt that both are in development. Canon, Tamron and even Tokina have announced/updated their own 24-70mm f/2.8 recently. Sigma should follow suit.

Mr. Yamaki also expressed how he was impressed with the optical qualities of the Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM. I presume the goal is to make a lens just as good, with stabilization to boot.

As for the 70-200mm f/2.8 DG OS HSM Sports, it is probably on the roadmap for 2016.

85mm f/1.4 DG Art & 135mm f/2 DG Art

People started to request a 85mm f/1.4 Art as they discovered how sweet Art lenses were – no matter the existence of a good 85mm f/1.4 lens in the lineup. The Zeiss Otus 85mm f/1.4 did nothing else than strengthen the phenomenon. Now that the 85mm f/1.4 EX doesn’t draw much attention anymore, a new version is needed.

Sigma may or may not have adjusted the priority of the 85mm Art accordingly. In any case, improving upon the 85mm EX takes time and resources. I didn’t expect a 85mm Art to come at CP+, and I’m still not sure that it will hit the market in 2015.

Crucially, a 135mm f/2 was clearly mentioned by the CEO as an important addition to the lineup. That was a while ago, but since Sigma started to build a set of fast prime lenses, I see no reason why they would overlook this key focal length.

So which lens will appear first, the 85 or the 135? Impossible to say, and at this time, Sigma themselves may not even know.

500mm f/4.5 DG OS Sports

An OS Sports update to the 500mm f/4.5 EX would certainly be warmly welcomed, but I don’t believe such a lens will be announced this year, unless Sigma has been working on it for a long time.

12-24mm f/2.8 DC Art & 50-150mm f/2.8 DC OS Sports

Whenever an APS-C lens comes, it should be either the rumored ultra wide-angle zoom, or a replacement to the 50-150mm f/2.8 EX DC OS.

There’s no rumor for the latter, but its (early) disappearance leaves a gap in this range. Sigma may have something nice up their sleeves here.

The 12-24mm f/2.8 DC is not written in stone either, it’s just that a patent supports it. A 10-20mm f/2.8 DC would be more interesting in my opinion.

14mm f/4 DN Art

Sigma designed a 14mm f/4 lens. Well, it is fixed, but at least it exists! So now that most of the work is done, what could refrain Sigma from adding it to the DN lineup?

I’ll speculate and say that releasing it as a stand-alone lens could take sales from the dp0 Quattro, since it is a very strong selling point of this camera. We’ll see…

No news about other potential DN lenses.

A “unique lens”

Hinted by Kazuto Yamaki. Intriguing, isn’t it? We’ll discuss what it could be in a future post.

sd1 Quattro

The sd1 Quattro (unofficial moniker) is “not close but not too far either”. Unless something goes unexpected, we’ll probably see it at the CP+ show in 2016.

Also, we have a new line of filters, a new line of lenses, and a new DSLR is coming. It makes sense to introduce a new flashgun (at least one) along with the latter. Sigma’s current flashes are a bit long in the tooth.

  • Fabrizio Bottaro

    I would like a 15mm prime 2.8 (another challenge vs Zeiss) 😀

  • Astrogator

    For astrophotographers the 24 1.4 Art looks very promising. How about a 14 2.8 Art prime as well? Good af and controlled coma and I’m in!

  • hello

    50-150 OS HSM please!!

  • Stéphane.B

    Again, anything from the ART range and a 70-200 in the Sport range, I would welcome it and buy it without thinking twice ! And no fanboyism here (well, maybe just a bit) it’s just that Sigma, a brand that in the past was not moving me in any way, has put amazing products out of his hat lately, besting the best from Canikon.

  • Claude B.

    I see the 12-24mm f/2.8 DC a perfect range for street and scene photography. But I hope they are thinking more for the E Mount APSC, like the Sony A6000. that camera is selling like hot cake.

  • andrei ioan

    I may be the weird one but it seems to me that you guys are fantasizing too much: 200-500 f2.8?? 15-240 f2.8-4 for an APS-c sized sensor?? can you imagine the size and (development) costs for that?? the only realistic lens from sigma i might be interested in are the 70-200 2.8 S and 70-300 4-5.6 C to compete with the tamron equivalents

  • Ceaiu

    To quote Thom Hogan : “Okay, Sigma, it’s time to pony up: we need a 12-18mm f/1.8 and a 35-70mm f/1.8 to put together a really interesting kit, right?”
    Glad to see more and more voices are requesting a 35-70mm f/1.8 for APS-C… I’ve been asking for such a lens for two years now.

  • Veselin Gramatikov

    Indeed 24-70 2.8 OS and 70-200 2.8 OS is a must. And they will come soon. Do not forget that the Sigma is small company and they do not have resources to deliver all these demanded lenses in one year. They have some problems with the 150-600 sport already. So let`s be real.
    24-70 and 70-200 will come may be at the end of 2015 and will have Canon recent L-glass quality for better price and Sigma sport/art build witch is as good as today L-class lenses.But for more affordable price close to that Tamron show in their 24-70 and 70-200 lenses. Sigma has advantage because of the USB DOCK and constantly updated no matter what new body`s will be shown. Tamrons still have problems with the AF accuracy. Sigma solved this with in body calibrations + Sigma USB dock option. Sigma is first third party that realized how important is for us to have perfectly calibrated lens and to notch af performance. The HSM is best third party AF motor and the USB dock give us even better control and off service calibration options even better that first party lenses.
    My predictions are:

    1.

    The 135/2.0 or 1.8 OS will be fabulous choice. Neither Tamron or Tokina have such a lens. Nikkor`s are old with no ring motor, Canon is good but do not have offer image stabilization. So…135/2.0 OS ART will be groundbreaking portrait lens offer. Good pricing is must here. But we all know the ART lens prices. They are so good for the money comparing to Canon, Nikon, Zeiss and Sony lenses.

    2.

    There are demand for wide angle vario lenses as new Canon`s 16-35/4 IS (brilliant lens) and the new one starting for 11mm and 2.8.
    Sigma may consider to deliver something between the two. This seems to be ART vario lens. I think they do not have to goo to wide or 2.8 in the same time because this will be expensive. If they offer 12-24 2.8 lens (OS is not must here) with performance in line with the Tamron, Canon and Nikkor for good price it will be demand for the lens. Critical here is corner performance, aberrations performance and distorsion control at the wides angle. Good corners at 2.8 is must. With the newer bodys as d810 and 50mp Canons new wide angles have to occur and corner performance is critical.Good pricing is a must cause of the to many competitors.

    3. New telephotos?
    Telephotos are expensive, hard to produce and they are do not sell as much. Sigma have 120-300 2.8 OS and 150-600 OS sport lenses. So they proved they can go with 2.8 or make vario to 600mm with good OS and good optics. Long primes will be not a problem for Sigma. Here there are huuuuuge gap in pricing. New Canons and Nikkors are way to expensive and both brilliant performers even with teleconverters. If Sigma maintain to catch with the performance but keep it affordable it will be demand here. Pricing is critical!!!
    Most popular telephoto prime in world is 300 2.8 and 500/4 type lenses. They have some 300 2.8 reach already so it make sense do give us something like 500/4.0. (4.5 is outdated idea caused of the problems using with x1.4 and may have problem using x2.0 tc for f/8 capable body) When you pay 5000$ for example you will want work with 1.4 and 2.0 tc…. F/4.5 is no sense for today standarts (stop saying that it will be 4.5 in the rumors this is NO SENSE)

    4. Other lenses?
    So the other lenses may be some C-conteprorary lenses for Full Frame and APS-C sensor cameras. The ART and Sport lenses seems to be premium products. But we may seen some F/4 ART or darker Contemprorary lenses like 24-85 OS, 70-300 OS or some cheap wide angle like Nikkor 18-35G.

    There is too many gaps around. Hope Sigma will maintain what they are doing.

    • SimenO

      3. Telephotos
      I think upgrading the 300mm f/2.8 with OS, built in switchable TC and diffractive optics to make it lighter would be an excelent choise.

      4. Sigma should upgrade their old 28-200/300 DG with OS, HSM, better build quality and IQ. Maby extend the wide end to 24mm if possible.

  • stpr

    I think the most important lens is definitely the 24-70 f2.8, with the 70-200 f2.8 and a 10-20 f2.8 or 12-24 f2.8 following.
    85 f1.4 and 135 f1.8/2.0 are a logical conclusion after the amazing Art lenses already released, but I think they will take their time with these. Same for the 35-70 f1.8.

    As I wrote below I would highly appreciate a 15-60mm 2.5 DC Macro OS HSM or a 17-70mm 2.8 DC Macro OS HSM to replace the 17-50 2.8 EX.

    Another great complement lens would be a competitor to the Tamron SP AF 70-300mm 4.0-5.6 Di VC USD, maybe even with constant aperture of f4.0. Price point of the Tamron is pretty low though for it’s performance, tough to compete.

    A low aperture super zoom would also be nice, something like a 15-240 f2.8-4.0 DC Macro OS HSM, the recent Contemporaries aren’t doing it for me really. In a price range of 700-800€ they should be able to compete with the aperture of bridge cameras in the same range (for example the Panasonic DMC-FZ1000 25-400 2.8-4.0)

    Last but not least a side kick to the 50 1.4 Art that competes in the price range (~300€) of the Canon 50 1.4, maybe a 50mm 1.8 (2.0) DC OS HSM. As great as the Art is, it’s just too expensive for amateurs.

    • Russell Ferris

      A 24-70 2.8 OS ART would kill as there are slight quality issues with the tamron and bankroll for the other lenses is out of the question.

    • Jlx

      Can see you are a zoom guy… Why not finishing the new prime line up before starting with the zooms?? That would make whay more sense. OR then next they can unveil the 85mm 1.4 and the 24-70 2.8 at the same time.

      • stpr

        Yes I am, at least so far, my post is also heavily biased because of it 😉
        My next lenses will be primes though, thinking of a 50 1.4 EX or the Canon equivalent and the 105mm 2.8 EX DG OS HSM Macro.

  • Pittsburgh Kid

    Maybe a wider Art, something in the 16mm range, with OS, top notch IQ and a sensible aperture (f2.8)

    A tilt and shift would also be welcomed. Anything from 20mm to 45mm.

    A refreshed Macro in the 150-180 range, OS and f2.8 in Art or Sport

    If they can master PF, a 400 or 500 f5.6

    until they get the 150-600 mess settled, no more zooms please.

    • SimenO

      A tilt shift lens may serve two purposes. Building two different barrels for it, one with tilt and shift and one without. Til shift have large image circles, suitable for medium format without the tilt shift function. Todays medium format lenses have little competition and high prices for relatively medicore specs. Sigma may offer their first medium format lens. An cost cutting f/2,8 lens or a scarce f/1,8 or f/1,4 for medium format. Or maby the first stabilized medium format lens.

  • For Fox Ache

    I’m anxiously awaiting a new 24-70mm. This is the quintessential workhorse zoom, and Sigma had better present it soon. As I’m sure they will.

  • Wishful

    10-18 f2.8 is what Sigma needs for their crop photographers. And I hope the “unique lens” is a 35-70 f1.8 for crop sensors. Just wishful thinking….

    • stpr

      I think a 35-70 f1.8 is within the realms of possibility after the Art 18-35mm 1.8 DC HSM IF.
      However what I would really looking forward to is a 15-60 2.5 (or 2.8) DC Macro OS HSM for ~600€, this would be pretty much all I could ask for for a standard zoom. I currently have the 17-50 EX which is great but I would appreciate a few Millimeters more on every end (especially on the tele side).

      If they would make a successor to the Contemporary AF 17-70mm 2.8-4.0 DC Macro OS HSM but with constant f2.8 that would be equally great if they can keep the price in the current range of 400-500€.

  • Russell Ferris

    I’m seriously rooting for a 135mm f2 OS, I don’t want to purchase a samyang MF 135mm just to hold myself off. I’ve only borrowed a Nikon 135mm f2 and I fell in love with it’s ability to isolate subjects, but not it’s optical quality. OS is key to me as a high keeper rate at this range really depends on OS(and technique)

    • SimenO

      I don’t understand who would buy an 135mm f/2 MF lens or the 85mm f/1,4. I think AF is extremly important for lenses like that.

      I love Samyang fisheyes and hope they start making macro lenses too, because MF is no concern for those applications.

      For Sigma, i hope weather resistance and weight gets higher priority. I would like to see a lightweight tele with diffractive optics, and more variable apertures (f/2,8-4). Like the suggested 35-70 f/1,8. I hope it will be a f/2-4 at 1/3 the weight and price in stead.

      I also would like to see telezooms with buildt in TC. 150-300 f/2,8-4 without TC and 300-600 f/5,6-8 with TC. I belive that could be made much lighter then the 150-600 “C” even if it has larger aperture 3/4 of the focal range.

      • Russell Ferris

        My lovely girlfriend will be ordering a D800 K3 type focusing screen for my birthday in march. It would then be the zeiss or the samyang in the 135mm lens option if quality is in mind.

  • snakebunk

    500/4 please, much better than 500/4.5.

    • Bob Howland

      Agreed! This sort of lens is made to be used with teleconverters, meaning that it should be f/5.6 with a 1.4X TC and f/8 with a 2X. However, given the existence of 200-400 f/4 Canon and Nikon lenses, I’d prefer to see a 200-500 f/2.8-4, preferably holding f/2.8 maximum aperture all the way to 350mm.

      • Ketivo Vadim

        I don’t know how about you, but i’m really looking forward and would be happy to have a 300-800 f5.6 updated.

  • szakee

    And I was just about to buy the Tamron 24-70. But now what, do I wait? 🙁

    • EarlFargis

      My Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 is my favorite lens for my D800. However, it has terrible distortion. If DxO software didn’t automatically clean it up for me my opinion would definitely turn sour.

      • Russell Ferris

        I’m seriously considering the tamron in the future, I haven’t used one but there is a fantastic photographer in town who uses it to photograph heavy metal bands and her photos are unreal. Maybe by the time I have cash for a standard zoom sigma will have their response haha

    • For Fox Ache

      If you desperately need one now, buy the Tamron. Otherwise, wait. You can always sell the Tamron again, albeit with a loss.

      • szakee

        I wouldn’t say I’m desperate. I currently only have a 35/2 AF-D on my D600, and it would be good to finally have some more versatility and being able to detach the subject more.
        I could wait some more, but if that means like half year or so, than I think I’m gonna go with the Tamron, then try to sell it as you wrote.
        Thanks though.

        • true

          Nikon might be coming up with a 24-70 PF for the same time as D5 is released? Wait until some more info on that is released, and then decide?

          • szakee

            As an amateur, I don’t feel comfortable paying 2000$/€ for such lens (the current model is around 1600-1700, so the new one will definitely be around 2k.
            I feel okay with around 1000, which is the Tamron’s price.

          • For Fox Ache

            I’m waiting for the 24-70mm as well, provided it has OS. I would have gone with the Canon, but the price and lack of IS is simply too redonkulous to even consider. I’ll have to go with the Tamron as well, if Sigma doesn’t amp it up soon. I have a wedding shoot in a couple of months.

          • SimenO

            It could be interessting with unconventional numbers. I.E.:
            24-70mm f/2,5
            24-85 f/2,5-3,5
            20-70 f/2,8
            24-105 f/2,8-4

          • Jlx

            Dream on…

          • SimenO

            I’ll never stop dreaming, and I hope Sigma wont eather. Thats why we got the 18-35/1,8. 🙂

          • true

            good point. I had already forgotten how much the nikon charges for their 24-70. Get the tamron then 😀

  • Eden Gottlieb

    Thanks, nice informative article, well written. Do you think we’ll see a new 17-50 f/2.8 in the near future?… If my time of purchase is around the end of the year, do you think I should wait?

    • Florent – SigmaRumors

      Thanks Eden.

      An f/2.8 standard zoom for APS-C is important, but the lineup is pretty busy in this range already (18-35mm f/1.8, 17-70mm f/2.8-4) so my take is that Sigma will fill the gaps first (that is, UWA and short telephoto).

      If I were you, I wouldn’t wait, I’d just go with the best option I can find.

  • EarlFargis

    If Sigma comes out with a 500 f/4.5 replacement. Say, buffed to f/4 with OS using, say, Nikon’s PF technology so it’s relatively compact and light. Then, say, they price it ~$3,000-$3,500. And it comes out shortly after my 150-600 Sports ships. Well, then Sigma and myself are no longer on speaking terms! ;^)

    • animalsbybarry

      Harvard has developet a flat lens with no chromatic abberation.
      So a single lens similar in format to a filter could possibly rival todays best complex prime lenses.

      • EarlFargis

        I love ❤ the theoretical but unless it becomes practical reality it doesn’t really help. Maybe a few years down the road someone will make it a usable reality.

        • animalsbybarry

          Speaking of theoretical
          Uncorrected lenses focus three colors of light on three different planes.
          Layered sensors detect 3 colors of light on 3 different planes.
          Would it not be possible to match up a simple non color corrected lens with a corresponding 3 layer sensor and achieve the highest possible quality image?

          • animalsbybarry

            Currently manufacturers go to great effort to cancel out the abberations in thier lenses by introducing opposite abberations within the lens.
            They also go through great effort to make perfect sensors.
            I am visualizing not correcting for lens abberations but rather matching up opposite sensor abberations.
            Sony has done this by building a Simple 4 element lens..with no CA but field curvature, and mathing it to a curved bsi bayer array sensor.
            It should be possible to desighn a simple lens not color corrected, but corrected for a flat field, and match it to a Foveon like sensor where the depth of the differrent color layers correspond to different focal planes that each color will focus at.

          • Paul Menard

            its possible, but you would likely need a deep sensor, and would there be issues with focus breathing etc

          • animalsbybarry

            That would need to be compensated for either by making each succesive layer slightly larger, or in processing.
            Making the layers differrent sizes is not as difficult as it sounds…it would probably just mean building each layer at a different temperature.

      • EarlFargis

        By the way, I happened to be in my Amazon account this morning. Amazon USA still lists the Sigma 150-600 Sports as hopelessly out of stock but you can order it from the 47th Street Photo bottom-feeding sharks at a mere $200 premium over MSRP in a Canon mount today (1 in stock) or on the 26th in a Nikon mount when they expect a new shipment.

        I refuse to pay ‘demand adjustments’ to retailers (and avoid these merchants in general even if they price goods fairly) because my personal view is it just encourages them to rip-off consumers in the future but obviously there are many desperate folks out there happy to get shaken down by opportunists and just consider it nothing more than the free market at work. It does pose an opportunity for you, Barry, should you choose to accept it.

        • Dragos

          I ordered my lens in October from Sigma Germany and it has finally arrived two weeks ago. It took more then 3 months :(…
          My first impressions are very good.

          Here are some pictures:
          http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55351425

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